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Episode · 2025

Period 9 and Women's Empowerment: A Conversation With Lisa Alban

In this episode, I’m joined by Lisa Alban of Cloud 9 Feng Shui to explore Period Nine, the energy cycle that began in 2024, and how it’s showing up for women today. Lisa, a certified Feng Shui practitioner, shares insights on balance, purpose, and empowerment through the lens of current events.

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§ 01 — Overview

About this episode.

The first female president in Mexico and what it signals for women’s leadership globally

Women building communities, supporting each other, and creating spaces for success

Female athletes and women-owned sports bars dedicated to women’s sports

Middle-aged celebrities making an impact and challenging societal perceptions

How the current cycle shines a light on women stepping into visibility, power, and influence

A conversation anyone curious about women’s empowerment, societal shifts, and the energetic patterns influencing how women show up in the world today.

§ 02 — In This Episode

What is covered.

Episode timeline

  • 00:00 — Opening
  • 02:31 — Exploring Period Nine and the Age of Aquarius
  • 05:01 — Women in Leadership: Rising Voices and New Spaces
  • 07:33 — The Power of Collaboration in Women's Sports
  • 09:31 — Navigating Change: Historical Context and Current Events
  • 12:00 — Generational Perspectives: Hope and Awareness
  • 14:13 — Emotional Intelligence: The Female Experience
  • 19:13 — Empowerment Through Knowledge: Conversations on Health
  • 21:54 — The Future of Women's Health and Leadership
  • 25:00 — Navigating Middle-Aged Women's Issues
  • 26:56 — Embracing Authenticity in Celebrity Culture
  • 30:20 — The Shift in Perception of Aging
  • 32:42 — Illuminating Uncomfortable Conversations
  • 34:46 — The Rise of Women-Centric Communities
  • 36:32 — Reevaluating Housing and Community Living
  • 40:57 — The Future of Real Estate and Community Collaboration
  • 45:21 — final thoughts

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§ 03 — Transcript

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Hey guys, welcome to the Learn Feng Shui podcast where ancient tradition meets modern living. Today I'm excited to welcome Lisa Albin of Cloud9 Feng Shui. Lisa is a certified funu practitioner helping people create balanced and purposeful spaces. And today we're going to be talking about period 9 and how it's showing up for women today. Let's get into it.

Hey, Lisa. I'm so excited to have you on today. Welcome. Thank you so much, Candace. It's good to be back.

I think it's been a few years, right? It has. I think maybe 2020. I think was the last time we sat and maybe maybe the year after. Yeah.

2021. But thank you so much. You like I I'm so happy that we've connected. And I feel like um you know one thing I remember what we talked about last time was how all the different languages from Feng Shui to the different types of energy reading they all confirm and affirm each other. I was trying to showcase different practitioners different styles of Feng Shui.

You know even though we all may arrive at a different way what really matters is that at in the end we're helping somebody connect one to their home to their own energy. That's what's really important I think with fun. I love that so much. Everything in between. Yeah.

Just having these conversations together too. It just broadens the scope of our understanding and our awareness. So, I love it. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah.

Welcome on. Um I'm excited about our topic today. I kind of wanted to focus on this energy of this uh period nine that we're calling it kind of that um I've heard people call it the age of Aquarius. We're kind of in this age right now where women are really showing up and I was like, you know, who better to have on, I think, than Lisa because you show up. I swear you show up all the time.

Every day you're there and I think you do some really amazing things. So, I think you're the perfect person to have this conversation with. Thank you so much. Yeah, I'm really passionate about it. I'm not, you know, like yourself, I'm a continual student.

So, I love to be engaged in conversations, especially around period 9 because none of us have actually lived through a period 9. Yeah. Right. So I think that, you know, we can have all the conversations and read all the books and ask all of our mentors, but I was really quite shook because to me, I grew up with like, you know, the song Age of Aquarius, and it sounded so like flowery and airy and fun. Yeah.

And I love the concept of of the middle-aged woman rising to a a position of leadership in some way. And being an Aquarius myself, I thought, "Oh, this is such an amazing time. It's going to be innovative and and um transformative, but really it's been like a lot more intense than what I was I wasn't expecting it to be this way. I thought it would be easier to be honest." Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, one thing too is we're still shifting. There's still a shift. I think one of the things that people don't really realize even when we shift into the new year's February, right, is that Chinese New Year, but we start feeling the energy even previously, right? Certain energies come in and they kind of show up certain ways and so it's not just this transition.

It's or it is a transition. It's not just this thing that just happens, you know, oh, we're here. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

It's not a switch we could turn on and off, unfortunately. But we are seeing women show up in the news in a lot of different ways. I had some fun articles here, I think, that we can kind of showcase, you know, all about the middle-aged woman, wisdom, leadership, collaboration, I think, is a good one. So, yeah, let's take a look at some recent headlines. Women creating spaces, leading traditions, building communities.

I have some cool ones lined up for us to to talk about here. I think the first one, you actually sent me this one, too, and I was like, that's perfect because I was gonna I was going to talk about this. Mexico's first female president and how she's stepping into a leadership role. Yes. Claudia Shinen Bomb.

She recently led the Independence Day ceremony highlighting women. She really kind of focused on women showing exactly the kind of recognition and authority that period 9 is encouraging and I think that's pretty neat. So women are really showing up to see that, you know, I know we're both plugged into social media for our businesses and for the podcast, but I really have gotten so many chill moments seeing women across the world celebrating each other no matter where we're witnessing it from. And that's, you know, very what I love is that the women that we're seeing rising into power, such as like the parliament and everywhere, it's very heart centered power and it's very humanity based. And so I think that's what's really surprising to me.

It's not coming from a place of like we're women, we know better, you better follow us. Yeah, I completely agree. I feel like again it's it's more of a collaborative effort and which I'll showcase in these other articles we're going to talk about. I think it's pretty neat. Um this this collaboration that kind of can take us to our next headline that I thought was pretty interesting.

The first womenowned sports bar called the sports bra, which I thought was pretty fun. Yeah. Yes. A sports bar in Portland is open that shows only women's sports, but cleverly called the sports bra. I love women's sports.

[clears throat] Yeah. Yes. The founder uh Jenny Nian started after being frustrated with women's games being pushed aside in regular sports bars. It's become a hub for community visibility and support even though it's faced a little bit of push backs. So I think the the topic of creating spaces and that collaboration is is um like you were just talking about it's really prominent right now.

We're really trying to support each other and really show each other, you know, this is we can help each other, right? We can we can be a community, you know, we we can really be a community. Yeah. And I'm hearing and I'm in a very maledominated industry on the design side of my business. So, I spend a lot of time, you know, at happy hours with the guys and that type of thing.

And um they really recognize and appreciate more and there's more conversation. For example, I mean, in reference to that article with the sports, a lot of the men, my my partner, he talks a lot about how he prefers to watch women's tennis for their technique and skill and nuance, and so he watches for their, you know, men play tennis more like smashing the ball. I'm not not to say they don't have the technique down, but women knowing that they have a different power balance really spent a lot of time honing their form and tennis and um and so he's learn to play better by watching women's tennis and prefers to watch women's matches. And likewise, the men that I've spent happy hours with are into golf and they mention they like to watch the women's tour for the same reason. There's just there's, you know, I know we could all have the same trainers, so on and so forth, but women don't have that power and strength advantage that men do.

So, there is just a little bit of a special attention paid to how we play to make sure that we can sustain in a match. Yeah, for sure. I think having to compensate with technique, it makes women's sports really interesting. Yeah. Not to say women aren't powerful and strong and all the things, but it just we're just we're different than men.

We are. Yeah. we can be super strong. I mean, you know, a lot of my friends are are um bodybuilders and strength trainers and um you know, they same thing like they can show up in the same profession, the same sport and you know, we have those like we're born with those powerful glutes like that. That's something that men just can't um you know, match us in in the percentage in our body and I I don't have any stats on it, but I mean it comes naturally to us like that's where that's where we carry our strength.

Yeah, you know, there's so much to that. The sportsmanship in sports too, like in soccer, women's soccer, even in tennis, I've seen where often times the winning opponent will invite the second runner up or, you know, even someone else that they spotlight into their interviews to recognize how far they've come. So I've seen that in soccer. I've seen it in tennis, gymnastics certainly, which has a lot more female presence, but there seems to be like a sharing of the spotlight and which is very period 9 also because that's you know that fire energy is a recognition energy and the spotlight. So yeah, so a very um I think relevant also to this time period.

I've seen that a lot too. Even going back to Mexico's first female president where she did spotlight women and talked about women's empowerment and all the things that women can do. And I think we saw this shift in in the 70s, right, of women's empowerment and stuff like that. But I feel like it's almost moving in a different direction of because now all those women are are are elders, right? And now it's our kind of time to step into that.

Coming from that where women had the right to have credit and credit cards, own property and all the things that we couldn't do or didn't have the the rights. I think coming from that and seeing that and shifting into this new well we've seen some setbacks with some women's rights, but it's kind of like well maybe it's just hopefully that's just a temporary. If you think that big transformations like this period 9, it's it's going to feel like this is the energy I've been feeling since maybe around May, but everything feels like from a global level into an interpersonal level. I feel it's like a two steps forward and then a two steps back. It just feels like progression and then going back and um before we can move forward and it's it's a little frustrating to be honest.

Yeah. No, I feel the same way. I think we can kind of look at which I think that was one of the topics I kind of sent you to was looking at the last year of the woods the woodsnake in 1965 a lot of civil unrest and I feel like that's very much echoing into what we're seeing 60 years later right so we were seeing a lot of the protesting for Vietnam war and you know and of course we're seeing a lot of protesting different things like that civil rights was still very much new you know the civil rights act equal rights act was new and people were trying to shift into that of course. Um so it was just a lot it was a lot going on in 1965. I think we kind of had these rosecolored glasses of the 60s and and the the time of peace and love but there there really was a lot of civil unrest during that time and I can see it showing up now.

Yeah, I yeah, you did send that to me and I did see that echoed a few times afterwards too, you know, and that makes sense as we talk about the patterns and the seasonality of the lives that we live. Um, and I think that's one thing that has given me a lot of comfort in that we're Feng Shui professionals and practitioners. understand the seasonality and we have the ability to have an overview perspective that brings me a lot of comfort and safety, but I wonder what that feels like for others who may feel lost in the soup or in the weeds of Yeah. over consumption. Man, we really it it's so different now because yeah, you could turn on your TV back then, but man, it's you can, you know, you have your phone on you all the time and you look at the headlines and it can be scary, but you're right.

Um I think taking a global this like a more of a take take the lens, right, and refocus it on a bigger scale. You know, nothing's forever. Things do shift, things change. Um if you don't like the person that's in charge now, they'll be gone. Things will be different.

And so it is easy, I think, to get upset with the current state of things or feel like certain rights are, you know, not not fair, certain rights are being taken away. But that can always shift. And so I tell my kids that, too, because they're old enough now where they're kind of following politics or following the news. They see all that stuff. And I just tell them, well, you know, I've been around a little bit.

I've seen things go back and forth. So, so here we are. I mean to that point I have so much hope for our younger generations. Yes. And witnessing the period that we're entering into now and I think they're paying attention and they have like a special I think because of our generations raising them.

I think they have this keen ability to filter through the noise. I mean, I think that they're we're learning as much from them as they're learning from us. And um yeah, I I really am grateful that in this life I do have such a connection with those generations because they're just so accepting and um you know, it's a [clears throat] healthy optimism and and genuine love that they have for each other. And so that brings me a lot of hope like in this season I know that I follow horoscopes and just because I'm like in those communities you know a lot of a lot of people in those areas are also in in mastermind with me human design as well too and just hearing those perspectives it mirrors a lot of what we discussed in Feng Shui and um so I I like paying attention to all the different modalities and it feels to me that Um, one theme I've seen across all of these different channels of practitioners is we are going through a time a time of elimination and illumination. So, it's uncomfortable, right?

Like, but it's the shedding away. I guess goes with the whole snake energy, too. It's a shedding away and then the illuminating, bringing light to what remains. So if you're true to your values and deeply connected with your your core, it's almost like being just being in that energy is the thing. That's all you need to do.

Like that will bring the illumination and the connection and the collaboration. You can't find others to connect with you without allowing that to happen. Yeah, very very true. And I I also think because I I had a [clears throat] family member that would get very upset, you know, like you know, this is going on, that's going on. And one time he asked me, "Does it worry you?

Does it scare you or anything like that?" And I told him, "No, because only thing we can do is focus on what's in front of us, right? We can we can do our voting or whatever or we could do our but what really matters is focusing on our family. You making sure they're good, making sure they're set up, making sure they're loved, uh we're connected with them. That's the only thing we can control. We can't control any of our other external circumstances.

We can't control any of this stuff. If we're if we're controlling the way we feel, you we're controlling what we focus on. Yeah, for sure. I think things will just feel better, you know, they'll just feel better. So, yeah.

Yeah. Do you know I started reading those books that you recommended to me, the female brain and the male brain, and I can't remember the author's name, but I I have the audio books and I'm reading it with my partner, so we're having discussions around it. Yeah. Like how different our perspectives are of even the books and having the different brains because I'm listening and I'm thinking like, wow, she really does recognize the unique gifts that women bring to the table because of our unique brain patterns. Yeah.

And the way that he perceives it is like, wow, women are, you know, very emotional, like almost like the emotional is not a superpower. Mhm. And that like his takeaway was, well, if women are passionate, overly passionate about something or overly emotional that should just give them a few days and they'll snap out of it. And I was like, no, no, no. That's not what she's saying.

What she's saying is what we perceive. We have the special ability to really feel and take on the underlying nuance, you know, from facial expressions to patterns changing in nature and patterns changing in society and from micro to global. We believe that we hold that like in our hearts and we feel that to be true. Like if it's an emergency to someone, it could feel like an emergency to us. And and I think that is like okay yes like that can be a lot for a mass you know for a male brain to interpret like they don't interpret that the information in that way but I think it can shape a more conscious aware leader as well too.

I think just by our very design, we are we're definitely more emotional, but I know the book I I believe described, it's been a while since I've read it, but it described the male emotions as the the land contour, right? It's chipped away over time. It's very slow to to change, you know, but women are like the weather and it can change very quickly because our hormones are doing all these things, you know? Even I don't know if you've listened to to my recent podcast, but um I don't know a fertility expert and she explained how men go through this 24-hour cycle, right? They're everything's reset after 24 hours.

They get the same amount of hormones, everything. But women, it's these 28 days cycles. And so it takes us a full month to go through that same cycle a man's doing in 24 hours. Yeah. Our emotions change.

Of course they do. We're just different. And I think it's beautiful. I do think of it as a superpower. I think of it as our uniqueness.

We have this beautiful thing in us that's it's not bad or it's not weird or anything like that. It just is. I think even as a kid saying, "Oh, you're too emotional and making me feel bad about it." I'm having to relearn a lot of the things that I was taught just as a kid. You don't you don't express those emotions out loud. You don't outburst, you know, which yeah, of course, but not being taught how to actually say them, you know, it's how we express it.

Well, I think we were told to like keep it under wraps. I mean the whole I mean I I know like the boomers and Gen Xers like we were told don't you know don't be too emotional or like you know brush it off kind of thing and what I like yeah hysterical hysterical take some medication or something or do you need something to eat but I think what I'm seeing now in the world and even just like in my small level of business meetings with clients and and partners is there's a lot more recognition of these cycles within us. And so sometimes I'll have a meeting with someone and they'll say, "I'm not feeling 100% right now. I was feeling it last week because of my cycle and I was vibing high, but right now I'm feeling very low and I would appreciate it if we could reschedule and I'm feeling a little bit better." And I'm like, "Oh my gosh." Like, this is this is the new way of honoring each other and our own rhythms and energy and recognizing that it's okay if you're not 100%. You don't have to be high vibing all the time.

Like, we're not always going to be neutral. Um, so I think that gives me a lot of hope and that that's being accepted and recognized because we've gotten into like this very, you know, in a masculine way of like, you know, going back to sports, attacking our lives like sports and attacking is another one. Like sports are like a war, you know. Yeah. Do do um you know, win win win.

And now it's more like, okay, like there's a lot of talk about I need to unplug. I need to nourish myself. I need to get myself back up to 100 before I can really be my best here. And people are honoring that. So that gives me a lot of hope, too.

Yeah. Um, me, too. My latest episode, I did a little bit of this bonus audio with with the Dr. Ma, who's was who I had on. is a naturopathic um fertility doctor and she really explained it beautifully where she explained each week of the month during your cycle after your cycle all those phases that you go through as the four seasons and so the week right after your cycle it's your springtime you have more energy things are growing and rising you can do a little bit more second week is that ovulation time right you're high functioning you feel great all your hormones are at the top and uh you can do more and it's a great time for networking just like you said, you know, maybe you are feeling it that week because you're like, I can get out and I can do the things.

But then the third week, you know, those hormones again will start to kind of drop a little bit and then um that's your fall, right? That's the time you're supposed to like conserve some resources, do a little harvest, you know, it's it's time where you kind of pull back a little bit more, create more boundaries, and then the week during your cycle is your winter and you're just supposed to rest and nourish yourself and love yourself. And I was like, I love that. You know, I did follow her. Um Dr.

Amama is you, right? Yes. I followed her when I was conceiving my children and learning about seed cycling and lunar. Yeah. You know, the importance of being in the moonlight as much as the sunlight type of thing because I was always told even in fune I was told to restore my energy in the sunlight.

That was and it is very valuable to get that early morning sun and you know open up your senses and so on and so forth. But for women, you know, there's not a lot of science behind it. And I just watched like a freaking Do you listen to Freconomics? It's another podcast. I have, but I haven't recently.

Yeah. Okay. So, they just did an episode about the moon and trying to understand like our fascination with the moon and trying to bring validity and science behind it. there's not a lot of science, but yet the podcast hosts couldn't dispute like within their own conversations this cycle sinking the importance of the moon. So, you know, to a man listening to that, they may say, "Oh, that's balary." And women are, you know, hysterical for for thinking that.

But there's so much to that even just they do admit there there is something that just there isn't a lot of science around the sinking the even our REM sleep you know that can't be ignored. It's that unique alchemy that women bring to the to the table and I think it's just something primal that we Yeah. Yeah. For sure. You know and she even said if you don't have a cycle anymore if you're not you know you're not bleeding anymore then you sink up to the moon.

She said just follow those same phases with the moon. So yeah, you're 100% right. Yeah. Yeah. I really that's amazing that you were able to have that conversation with her and I do really respect her work a lot because it actually got me back to a healthier place because I wanted to get into, you know, I have my children later in life and I wanted to go per menopause and menopause with more clarity and just a lot more ease when I'm seeing others experience.

and she really helped me and I really do feel more empowered and also just allow myself that grace. But um I hope that those types of conversations like the one ones that you had um and that we're having become more and more on the regular and then maybe one day science will catch up. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I just recommended I um I started working in a herb shop and so I'm learning about like all the herb herbal remedy everything.

It's so interesting but I just recommended a lady. She came in and she said she's 48 but she's still ovulating and she's wanting to try and I recommended her to Dr. Mama. I was like here you know we gave her some some herbs and stuff like that. But yeah, I was like that's I don't think it's a I think we're seeing a lot more women wait longer I think to have children um to not settle.

That was part of her story too is she didn't want to settle. she got married realized she didn't want to have children with this man she was married to and so I think a lot of women nowadays are choosing to wait which I think is powerful but then you have to have the conversation about okay let's keep everything healthy inside our body and then of course I'm I'm heading into pmenopause and yeah I I don't want to feel like my mom felt just remember her like saying she felt horrible she all these things were wrong and she just going through it and I was like you know what everything from nutrition to to self-care can impact that too. So yeah. Yeah, you're so right. Yeah, I think I think we align a lot on those levels.

Um I think you know our moms entered into later lives just feeling like well hot flashes that's like just kind of nice because they were like kind of laughing about it or whatever. But I mean then you see we're trying to take my mom wasn't really in you know she didn't she wasn't in a career field that put her like on the front lines per se as a leader. So she was able to get through it just kind of laughing it off. But I've seen and you've probably seen this too um on in the media but news anchors that are fainting on air or like I haven't seen that. Wow.

Yes. I've seen it quite a bit and it's like that's when they realize they're in permenopause or menopause and Drew Barrymore is one of them. She's our age group. You know, she experienced a hot flash or something on on a live program and that became the the conversation and you know, now she talks incessantly about middle-aged women and um and these issues. So there's there's women that are in the like as we're talking about the illumination that are like, "Okay, I'm going to talk about this because this is the way it is and I'm going to talk to my guests about it." And it's a continual conversation and I think it's irritating to some people, but I think it's kind of cool on this on the other end.

It is. Yeah. I And speaking of celebrities that have been in the spotlight, like Jennifer Love Hewitt, right? I know she kind of recently came into the spotlight because she was on the I know you did last summer reboot movie, but people were kind of talking about her weight, but I just think she looks so beautiful. I thought she's she's in her 40s.

Like why are we having a conversation about her weight, you know? Like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anderson's back in the spotlight.

I think that's beautiful. Yeah. She's looking amazing. Yeah. So, I love that.

I love that she's, you know, just being so, you know, as as someone that we grew up seeing so polished and perfect and like the Barbie doll and and I still think she is she is perfect in every way, but I like that she's showing up without makeup on. And I like that she's just kind of like just being very natural about everything. And I like that there's a lot more of that on the front covers for Yes. the younger generations to see. They don't they don't think of it the same way as we did growing up.

They don't look at they don't judge people's bodies or whether or not they're wearing hair and makeup. They just don't see that. Isn't that wild? Yes. And I think that's beautiful.

I really do. I think just showing up and just um I feel like she's showing up very authentically. You know, she was probably tired of doing the whole bombshell thing. I recently saw a video where they did her makeup like they like she did in the 90s and she looked exactly the same. so beautiful.

I was like, she hasn't changed, not one bit. You know, she looks amazing. So, I just love that she's just showing up and saying like, I don't have to do all that. I don't have to put the makeup on. I don't have to show up a certain way to still be to still be beautiful and still be relevant.

I love that. Yeah. the the more of us who do that the better you know just because it is it's arresting you know it makes people stop in their tracks like you know of course I also on the flip side like if people want to be 80 years old and and do all the body modifications and whatever like let them do that like that's for them yes Madonna looks amazing too yeah like she looks great honestly yeah like let people be the the art expression that they desire to be and it doesn't need to be necessarily like commented on other than just like okay cool like I like you're showing exactly yeah for sure I know I think people forget feminism is really um supporting a woman's right to choose what works for them whether it's the I want to do the full face lifts and the body you know all that stuff I think is amazing too even and and then on the opposite end speaking of Drew Barammore I I've heard her saying she hasn't had any work done and she just wants age naturally. And I think both are very valid. And again, I think it's when we start commenting like on their looks and their appearance and stuff like that's very um that's just odd to me.

It's kind of odd to me that you know people have mean things to say. A lot of that like commenting and and still also like in business and commenting on a woman's appearance, you know, their face, their hair, their their bodies. And like I was saying, two steps forward, two steps back. Yeah. I believe I believe so much like I'm so grateful that I'm able to share the space with men and in design and construction and related industries and I'm like permitted in the room look to speaking but at the same time I don't know if this this happens to you but it still happens to me.

I walked into a networking situation last week and everyone was very kind, very happy to have me, so on and so forth. And one of the men looks at me and says, "Oh, I'm so and you're expecting." And I was like, "No, I'm not pregnant, but thanks for commenting on my body." Like, yeah, you know, that that type of thing is still persistent. You know, it's almost like, "Oh, so cute. You're expecting, okay, no, I'm a mom of two and like my body changes." And also, yeah, why is that like the thing aside from like the credentials that you bring or the conversation, you know, yeah, the still the need to like comment on your anything appearance-wise or or touch you or anything. It's so, you know, there's that objectification that's out there.

One thing I I've noticed and I think I appreciate about being in my 40s is that you don't at least I I don't anymore. So maybe I'm just alone in this one, but I don't get like the looks, the cackle, all that weird I don't get that weird attention anymore. And I appreciate being in my 40s um and not getting that, you know? I'm like, let the younger girls have to deal with it, but I kind of it's almost like to me I feel like I'm a little bit invisible now that I'm older. And I appreciate that because in being younger, I just got it.

so much that it's like I can't even take a a walk, you know what I mean? And then now it's kind of like, oh, there's the older lady over there. She's, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

I know. There's, you know, I think it's like I have fringe experiences, you know, in my 40s with with that, you know, depending if I have my kids or not. And like I'm not not remarried. And I notice like sometimes I just wear a ring to make it look like I'm married or engaged. um just to like further like you said just not be so much in the the radar of things like I feel like people treat you differently a different level of respect but I do hope that you know that you know as we talk about the two steps forward two steps back shifting into this period nine that it starts to be more of like you know gratitude for the wisdom and shared life experience and contribution to society versus whether or not we're good mating material or Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. What do you look like? Like, yes, that doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Like, thanks for being here.

Thanks for contributing. Thanks for being a great leader in the conversation or for group and and not have anything to do with assuming because we appear to be moms or that that we're conceiving that we're not going to be able to be in that space. Yeah. So that's, you know, that's that's one kind of thing like you would think we would be out of that already. Yeah.

Well, again, we're still shifting so hopefully I mean I'm hoping, you know, I'm hoping our kids are older, you know, points to that. Yeah. Everything points to this change and you know it's like we have to and I'm speaking more for myself. I'm assuming that you feel the same way. But understanding based on what we know about you know change through Feng Shui is transformation is not meant to be comfortable.

Yeah. And the bigger the change the more constriction and setbacks are are recognized um you know and then cleared out. So it's like it needs to be brought to the forefront before it can be cleared. And that's not a comfortable easy experience. It doesn't mean it's not worth it though.

Yeah, for sure. We kind of look through that lens of Chinese metaphysics, looking at the fire energy supposed to illuminate. We have the sun star, the yearly sun star, which falls within like those zodiac signs. And whenever zodiac sign it falls with, it's said to illuminate whatever issues you're going through. And so things can be exposed and it might be uncomfortable.

The sun shines light on everything. And but it's getting it out in the open and talking about it and shedding the light on it that's going to make the change. getting it just laying it out on the table and I think yeah as a society sometimes we do we do have to have the uncomfortable conversations or we have to see the things you know but when it's the light shown on it then we'll be able to to see it and deal with it. Yeah. there's a a hexog um in the Iching that talks about this this energy that you're describing and when there is this like and I can't remember what the energy is called or which which number it is but it's this energy that you're describing and so it's to remember that when the crops or the flowers are are blooming or fruing remember that the weeds are as well.

Yeah. So that's like I know what they're trying to say in the Iching and the translation and I happen to love leaves sometimes make the most beautiful leaves and flowers, but I understand what they're saying is in a period where we're all thriving and being illuminated is to just have a discernment and awareness around you that there are things that need to be removed from the garden. And the last headline, um, I don't know if you saw this in the news. There's a community of all women, tiny home village in Texas called the Birds Nest. I thought that was really cute.

In Comfy, Texas, a group of women created a tiny home village just for women, mostly retirees or single women. Offers affordable housing, companionship, and support. Kind of like a little family. And I thought that was really cool. I thought it was a good example of how middle-aged women are creating spaces.

I thought that was really see more of a shift in these community buildouts. I think people are seeking um these and I know it's a resurgence from something that we saw in the 60s. I mean I didn't look from what I've heard there was that attempt at commune living and so there's a resurgence of it now and I will read that article that you're talking about because I've noticed and people have approached me unrelated people have approached me to see if I was interested in buying um and seeking plots of land if I would be interested in contributing to the community and shop the land together, contribute to it, build it out so on and so forth. I'm like absolutely yes. I mean, I've got my kids and everything, but I would love to be involved in something like that.

And um, you know, in small little doses, I have to help consult with these developers because they recognize, okay, like we're good. We've got the, you know, buying and buildout power, but we want to make sure that we are choosing sustainable goods and making sure the spaces are set up in a way that they can last longer. And I love that concept and that's really like the dream to me is I don't think and we're you know being fune professionals I think we're more open to this but the way you know I'm living in a 1950 house like not remodeled or anything it's stood the test of time this 1950s cottage but this isn't the way that homes are going to look in the next decade I agree it's going to be shifting the you know the building codes are going to have to adapt. Water tables are rising and the climates are changing. [clears throat] So, what does that mean for all of us?

And we're going to have to have like a real deep look at, hey, we need to make sure our towns are tight. Maybe we build up with towns or maybe there's, you know, plots of land or however they need to be, but there needs to be a re-evaluation of these building codes that were put in place before any of this started to happen. we need to make sure that we have resources, safety, protection, connection to other societies. And um so I think what these women are doing in Texas is like right on the beat of what needs to be done. And um yeah, I mean I'm glad we will hopefully get to witness this and maybe be a part of it.

Yeah, that would be cool. I'm definitely of course I'm married so if everything ever happened but you know I would move to a community like that because you know you have to have that community and that support you know you have to have that companionship and I think sometimes just being in a world where there's so many people like you don't know like you want to be safe especially as an older woman these are you know senior citizen age but there's all ages in there that's that could be scary you know that can be scary I mean I think it's still I'm not sure because I didn't do any deep research before we got together, but is it do you think it's still true that women tend to outlive men still? Well, that's a good question. I hadn't I haven't looked lately either, but I knew I mean I definitely know that was kind of the norm, right? Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. You know, sometimes I get my information from social media and that's not always true and then I have to research and I'm looking for three different papers to validate it. But, you know, I know that the human life expectancy is supposed to be, you know, expanding. And I think I mean, I'd have to quickly Google, but I think that women, you know, right now are still outliving men by some percentage. But, um, in our [clears throat] older years, we don't want to lose our companionship and our sense of community.

I don't know to the [clears throat] point of like safety and and connection and and all those lovely things that we talk about in Feng Shui um and being able to pass down our our lineage and wisdom to those younger. It's the way that we isolate ourselves in our boxes. Yeah. Currently is not promoting of that. And there's so many we grew up during a time where we remember, you know, neighborhoods being very connected and Yeah.

Um, and now with the ability to, you know, there's more people owning several properties and all around the world and stuff, there's a little bit of there swung the pendulum a little bit of like disconnection um in the communities. Yeah, for sure. I think going back to that um connection that's supposed to be part of period 9, I think we'll see more communities, not just women based, but more people kind of coming together. And I've seen even not even necessarily community, but single moms choosing to, you know, raise their kids together and stuff like that. So, I think we're in a time that since we do have those options, right, women can rent their own home or buy their own home.

It opens up a lot of things to us uh to to try out, you know, see community based like buying power is such a neat idea to me. And I've seen that, you know, in the design industry, um, to be able to compete with like large retailers, the communities pull together resources. Yeah. To present as an organization to be able to also get the benefit that company would get, which means like more money in our pockets and um, you know, just more accessibility to unique materials and that type of thing. But I'm seeing that in these communities is like pulling together like okay let's pull in our money together and buy a franchise or let's pull in our you know that will generate money so that we can build and select plots of land so we can build these developments that are you know what we want them to be rather than you know reverse engineered.

Yeah for sure. And I don't know, I mean, I don't know how familiar you are with the real estate market and I kind of talked about this did like a period 9 update where I talked about just some, you know, some how how it's showing up and moving out of that earth energy, this that stable energy of real estate. We have really seen it shift. My husband's in real estate, so I've seen I've seen it shift a lot. And I feel like people aren't wanting to buy the properties, not traditionally, not like they used to, you know, and so I think it may shift where, like you said, resource pooling to buy multi-units or, you know, just just things like that because it's definitely it's different and it's really changed a lot this year.

It has more to do with just the interest rate. Yeah. Yeah. It's more than just the interest rates that are changing and um you know, and regulations and Yeah. on both sides of the buying table and yeah, real estate's experiencing especially in the US just a huge shift right now and I don't know which direction it's going to take but I think a lot of it has to do with these larger entities and insurance companies and everybody wanting a bigger piece and people that are the brokers and realtors and um you know I I get a sense that they you know genuinely when you're in that field and I see it a lot in my student base too, the people that are on that level and maybe your husband too, but desiring to be in the field for the purpose of helping people and um so like they really you know it's more than just money and I believe that that level deserves more more the reward like there needs to be a revolution in that area.

Yeah, for sure. instead of just Yeah, I I I do think the investors now I know there was a big Aaron BB you know the investors are coming in stuff like that and I think we've kind of seen a decline in some of that because it's like that housing too. Yeah. Yeah. The corporations are I mean we saw that here in the Tampa Bay area after the hurricanes organizations um you know buying up cheap land because it was damaged, right?

So like instead of instead of things being rehabbed and available for more affordable housing, companies coming in and just sight and scene swooping in and buying and developing really just to like hide the money in their portfolio like as an drive up property cost. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. So I really feel that is like an interesting part of the equation that we'll see in period 9 that's g we're going to see some big shifts.

I think so too. I'm I'm kind of seeing that. You are. I bet you have some interesting conversations at home at the end of Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. Yeah. It's It's kind of been a rough year. It's been a rough real estate. It's been a rough year.

And when it's rough for realtors in the real estate industry, it's rough for everybody. There's so many related industries to that. You know, it was very stagnant for a while. It just really I mean, it's very It's tough. It's tough to see that like I just don't know and I don't have answers for it but I don't know what happened or why there was such a hesitation but it was pretty hardcore and it it affected it from the top you know the oldest money here in the US down to you know down to everyone else.

So it was a trickle down. That was really unfortunate to see that hesitation because you know it meant people like I mean I've seen a lot of people spinning out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Especially this year and I was really just hoping hoping hoping I was really just hoping with period 9 I just had this ex you know like you said like rosecolored glasses. I was like oh it's time it's gonna be revolution of expansion and possibilities for all. And I still believe that is We're going to see those things. I mean, we're just in the very beginning of period nine, but I was I was shocked. More optimistic.

Yeah, me too. Yeah. Yeah, I bet. Yeah. Okay, that's for another day.

Yeah, thank you. Yay. Yeah, that was a surprise to me and I really am proud of that. Um, you know, Cloud9 Feng Shui having fun in the branding. um you know that really raised a lot of eyebrows and I was really proud that I received that recognition from my clients and community having a more alternative approach to design and I think you know anything that we can do to bring these resources you know it's more than just living in beautiful spaces but recognizing the unseen energies is yes you know something I think you know is just as you're doing too with the with the podcast is bringing that awareness to others that it's a it's you know it's a benefit that is more valuable than that there's so many psychological values and supporting people through major transitions and addressing and working with those unseen energies and directing them into your space that will support you so that you you don't get drained during this time or even the seasons as we're shifting, you know, on a personal level into different decades as, you know, the middle-aged women, we can support ourselves with our spaces so that it's more comfortable for us.

Yes, for sure. Yeah, I think it's amazing. That's recognized uh more mainstream now, too, I think. So, that's amazing. Congratulations on that.

Thank you so much. Yeah, surprise. Awesome. Oh, that's a good surprise. I think you're very deserving.

Very deserving. Thank you. Well, thank you so much for this conversation. and I'll go ahead and wrap up. Is there anything you wanted to add to the audio?

Like any final thoughts you wanted to add? No, I feel like whenever we get together, we could talk for hours. You know, I just really appreciate the work that you're doing and that we're connected still after these years. And um you know, I hope that other people are listening and recognizing or feeling a call and feeling like, okay, now I feel more empowered. I hope they feel comfortable in coming to us and and um collaborating and sharing their stories so we can we can bring this these changes into fruition.

Yeah. Bring it kind of to the forefront of society. May hopefully we'll see. And so speaking of podcast, you do have a podcast, Conscious Collaboration. Yes.

If you can briefly tell us about that, I highly suggest the audience go give it a listen. Yeah, the Conscious Collaboration podcast. Um we are like around 180 episodes in and um we are looking for change makers, thought leaders, a lot of entrepreneurs, people that have different unique perspectives of all different kinds to come have a conversation with us and um we're happy to have a community, the conscious collaboration collective on Facebook, which was it's a close and private space and it's a good place for people to come hang out and to share things that they're working on and there's been some cool connections within in that group organically internationally and you know I know there's more podcasts and groups out there and like yours like it's so good that we're finding one another and the right people are it's resonating with the right people and so I think we're all contributing to the you know the greatest and highest good. I highly suggest uh listeners go check it out. Check it out.

And of course, I'll link it in the show notes and Lisa's website and everything, too. We'll make sure people can find you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much.

Awesome. We'll talk to you next time. Talk to you soon. Bye.